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Evangelie · Guest

I can't wait to be depressed!...I think I'm doing it wrong
Where's the ladder?

Postins · Guest

“I know I should feel bad about punching an old lady but damn it feels good to have my Cobra Commander back. It's still in plastic too!

Gangadhar karmari · Guest

Google's simply crackers for cheese..
That's just an assumption that you're making. Perhaps they really do mean "turn it completely off." Unfortunately the airlines are not really clear on that instruction.!

Gativitis · Guest

Glad to see people are interested. Ok, just to hammer home the Einstein new timeline flaw. As a general rule of time travel, going into the future does not cause a new timeline to be spawned. I could prove this with real world examples (such as the twin paradox, or the fact that we are all time traveling forward as the natural progression of things) but since we're talking about this chart, I will prove by contradiction. Look at the two future jumps made by Marty: First one in Timeline 2 from Nov 12, 1955 to Oc 26 1985, second from Sep 7 1885 to Oct 27 1985. These (correctly) do not show a new timeline being spawned as a result of future travel. So, either these lines are wrong or the single Einstein event is wrong. Moving on from that though, I am bothered by the representation of the timelines as linear from start to finish. For the sake of this next argument, let us consider only the scope of these time travel events on the chart. In this context, all travel happens to, fro the dates Jan 1, 1885 and Oct 21, 2015. Since no time travel events happen before Jan 1, 1885 all of the timelines on the chart really share the same timeline before Jan 1, 1885. They are rooted in a common timeline. The chart shows 9 timelines either extending back infinite or being instantiated at the destination point of each event. This is misleading and confusing since it obscures the branching context of the new timeline. Most of the problems I have with this chart can be resolved by moving towards a branching model. Ok so thats all the time I have this morning. If anyone is still reading this thread, let me know what you think.?
You all going to jizz on each other after you digg the article?

Jhansi · Guest

You Bastard!

Vspomi · Guest

This story is entirely told from Marty's perspective. He is Marty Prime, and the story revolves around him and his actions.There are five time travelers in the series (technically 6, Clara doesn't count because we don't see the result of her affecting causality): Marty, Doc, Jennifer, Einstein, and Biff. Marty is present at every since instance of time travel (save one, the one big causality flaw in the series, which Iâ€™ll come to later), so we can observe the affect his travel has on the others.Marty Prime, in movie 1, travels back to 1955. Every action he takes affects his perception of what 1985 is, so when he returns, he is effectively lost in time. Itâ€™s not his 1985, nor will he ever be able to return to his 1985 Prime (his original 1985). I think that in 1985 Prime he simply disappeared that night, after Doc was fatally shot. Those events continue, his family trying to find him, etc, in 1985 Prime, but Marty will never know of it.In the newly altered 1985 of the 2nd movie, we learn about the affects of the past when you alter the future. Nothing happens. Causality maintains its integrity. Marty, Doc (#2), Jennifer (#2), and Einstein (#2) travel to 2015; the 2015 of the new 1985â€™s future. It occurs to one, and should have occurred to Doc based on what he learned of causality from Marty in 1955, that there was no need to go to 2015 to change the future, as just his knowledge of it and coming back will change that future. However, they go anyway. The 2015 that Doc went to without Marty is not, in theory, the same 2015 that the whole group goes to start movie 2, but itâ€™s close enough that the main event that Doc wanted to prevent was still going to happen. Now we come to the one big flaw in causality in the entire series, and one which cannot be explained. Biff steals the time machine and goes back to 1955. (Remember, there is no pre-1955, so 1955 can always be thought of as 1955 prime, which is why they try in the 2nd movie to heavily maintain causality between the two versions of Marty that are there: both are Marty Prime, but one just got there first.) When Biff travels back to 2015, he should have arrived in a brand new 2015, one where Marty and Doc are not present, because they never would have been there in the first place. That future no longer exists (or if it does, itâ€™s not one that Biff can return to). However, he returns to that same future.The only theory I have for this is that, somehow, in the universe of this movie, if you step outside of time, you are no longer affected by causality and stay linked to the others who have broken the timeline in the same way. The continuity makes sense in movie 1, as only Marty ever takes a trip in the time machine. In movie 2, this gets more complicated as the aforementioned five all travel in different parts of the 2nd movie. This would explain things a bitâ€¦ perhaps 2015 *did* change around Marty, Doc, etc, and they simply didnâ€™t notice. They pretty much bail as soon as they recover the machine. Biff dies offscreen, assuming a heart attack from the trip (in a deleted scene, they have him disappear, but I think they realized that didnâ€™t make sense, and cut it). Marty, Doc, Jennifer, and Einstein are still effectively out of time, in this new 2015 timeline that they donâ€™t know theyâ€™re in, and when they travel back to 1985, it is now a full 3rd new 1985 caused by Biffâ€™s tinkering with 1955.This actually makes some sense based on a line Doc says before they both go back to 1955. Marty asks about Jennifer and Einstein, and Doc says something like â€œtheyâ€™ll be fine, assuming we complete our task everything will shift around themâ€. This backs up the â€œoutside of timeâ€ theory and that all 5 of them (4 now, cause Biff is dead) are linked in causality.They fix 1955, come back to 1985, now a 4th version which in theory is similar to the 2nd, and the same Jennifer and Einstein are there. The ones they are linked with. Jennifer has memory of what happened in 2015 and the â€œYouâ€™re Fired!â€ paper, and Einstein we obviously donâ€™t know cause heâ€™s a dog. The circle completes, Marty changes his future by not hitting the Rolls Royce, and the 2nd movie ends with a tight loop of causality.Movie 3 only has the one time trip, and itâ€™s backwards (then forwards). Assuming the link between the 4 remaining people, all of this theory holds true. This is also backed up by when Doc goes back to 1885 and changes history, Marty, Jennifer, and assumedly Einstein are also not changed, and the Docâ€™s affect on 1885 was so minor (as a scientist, he would attempt to do as little damage as he could) that not much has changed in the now 5th version of 1985.Marty returns to 1885 and saves Clara and Doc. When he returns to 1985, this is now a 6th 1985 but linked by causality to #2, #4, and #5. The link allows Doc and Clara, from 1885, to show up and see Marty in 1985 and it be the same Marty: Marty Prime. I have a headache.

Rommelli · Guest

Lets get the ***** out now and cut our losses. Either way we go this is all going to end in tears and centuries more of war & suffering in the region.

Barrass · Guest

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